... therapy (ECT). I have Bipolar I and anxiety issues. My goals are to come out of it needing less meds, and I also want my ever-present funk and anhedonia to be lifted. I am interested in hearing from people who have had ECT
Bipolar Disorder - I am thinking of having Shock Therapy (ECT), has anyone here has this?
- Posted:
- 29 May 2011 by Tonka8561
- Topics:
- depression, mania, shock, bipolar disorder, anxiety, generalized anxiety disorder, lithium
Responses (7)
29 May 2011
Hi Tonka, I have had ECT. Did a doctor tell you that you need ECT? If so he/she should have told you that ECT is not a 1 time fix. You have to have several treatments of ECT, the number of times and frequency is determined by the doctor. I also have type 1 Bipolar Disorder and Anxiety Disorder. I understand your feeling of urgency to end your suffering. However, ECT did not work for me. I started having a lot of memory loss. I did not remember anything about the following couple of days after each treatment. I was going to nursing school and I could not remember enough material to take my classes. By no means would I suggest anyone to take any medication or diagnosis anyone. I am just telling you my personal experience. ECT may work for you but what worked for me was with the support of a Psychiatrist, counseling, medication and support groups I have become able to function much better. I still do not go to social events or places unless I have to.
30 May 2011
Hello Tonka. A bit late in responding, to your question. I have major depression, and am refractory to most of the psychiatric drugs that I have been on over the years. I have had ect. It did seem to eleviate my depression, but only for a very short period of time. My series ran anywhere from nine to twelve sessions. At three sessions per week, (its administered every other day) Monday, Wednesday, Friday. It was done as an inpatient. So, I was always in the hospital a month and longer for one series. My memory is not very good. (to say the least). Would I recommend it? Difficult to say. It really is a last ditch effort, in those people who receive the shock "therapy". There is no therapy, per say. Just electricity causing you to have a massive seizure. Today, the medical establishment can still not come up with an explanation in how the shock treatments work. They know the result(s) but not the why and how it does so.
I don't know for sure what they think this will do either other than maybe they think the electricity going thru the brain will re-set what is mis firing in the first place. I find the whole idea out of date, but that's just me & my opinion...
Hi Mary. Still some coffee left, and I know, we'll hide those you know whats! ha! I know and appreciate what you just said, and believe me, its almost exactly like that. Electricity, creates the seizure, which in turn makes the depressed feelings less. It might even be ... odd word, barbaric or so it seems but, its difficult to explain. Its a last option. And I can choose. I dislike the damage that it has done to me, but it did then, in those times out-weigh my not wanting it done. Going on a ramble here, far to serious... ha! Hot and muggy in carolina, as I know its also in your neck of the woods. Mary, hope your hand is healing well, I see hardly any typos. Cream and sugar?
30 May 2011
Please think very, very carefully about this before you have it done. I have heard many people say that they have significant memory loss after doing ECT - one woman was so bad she didn't even recognize, or have any memory of, her adult children. For depression, there is now an FDA approved treatment for medication-resistant depression that is not invasive, and does not involve any medications. It's called TMS - Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation - the same technology used for MRIs. I've been having this therapy for the past week. You sit in what looks like a dental chair and a machine is placed to your right side of your head, another is placed above the left side. A loud, woodpecker-type sound is made (somehwat similar to the MRI sound) and you do this for 37 minutes, 5 days a week for 20 - 30 sessions. This treatment has a 70 percent remission rate - that is for 70% of the people have no depression whatsoever after this treatment.
30 May 2011
I also am bipolar more manic than anything lately. But I know how debilitating the lows can be. I also have suffers from panic disorder for about 23 years. 5 zanax a day, also a combined dose of 90mg of cymbalta . Seems the cymbalta was like a miracle drug 4 months ago now I don't think it has any benefits. Back to (ECT) I personally have not had it ... BUT my best friend went from being the perfect woman to having symptoms of anxiety which quickly turned into an almost constant state of TERROR!! MEDS were and are COMPLEATLY ineffective. Nothing helped! Last hope was the ECT. it did absolutely nothing but leave her with NO MEMORY AT ALL of the past year! She reacts with shock when she hears things like she's been sick for (at that time) one year. It's been 2 years. I can't even bring myself to call it just too sad and hits so close to home! Terror 24/7.
12 Dec 2011
I have had depression for about 5 years and have seen some stuff on ECT. I briefly discussed it with my old dr. And he said it is absolutely positively a last resort thing and he would not consider me a candidate. I am glad he took that approach because it was more just me exploring what was out there.
The weird thing is I have a history of seizures and I have experienced that memory loss, usually just for that 24 hours. Also I get really bad headaches from a seizure and nothing helps it. I have been put on Zoloft and this one seems to be helping me. I wanted to take Wellbutrin but ironically you can't take that if u have a history of seizures. Anyway my input is from actually having seizures, I would not wish that on anyone. I would have to be completely desperate to do that. Like a feeling of life and death. You feel so helpless and scared when you awaken.
13 Dec 2011
Hi Tonka,
I haven't seen you around lately. Wish you were feeling better!
I was in the hospital for major depression and my psychiatrist did want me to try ECT but I refused. My mother had it about 40 years ago and she lost a lot of her memory and it did not help her. I know it was a long time ago.
The doctor tried several medications for me for 6 months before he found that Lithium and Manerix were the good combo for me.
The girl next to me in the hospital did have ECT. Every 2 days they would wheel her out and in again. She was exausted. She did say she was not sure if it was helping her much. She did go home before me though. But later when I was still going to my appt. as an outpatient she was re-admitted to the hospital again.
Well good luck with your decision! Take care.
13 Dec 2011
Hi Tonka, I have never had this procedure and in my lifetime with Bipolar I will never entertain it as a possibility, but my ex-boss did. Like me, she suffers from bipolar- but with major depression. But my observations of her and the outcome seem to be totally in sync and characteristic of what nearly everyone here who has had it done has reported. My boss's memory and sharpness seemed to deteriorate, and the smart, intelligent woman that she was seemed to have disappeared. She had this done many times, as she was depressed to the point of being suicidal, and it sounds to me as though she was talked into it.
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Hi Tonka. After 24 years, my psychiatrist has decided to pursue health care reform for the needy. Before he stopped practicing, we had a discussion about what medication would be effective if the med I'm taking now, stops working after he left, and that's when we got on the subject of ECT, He said that in his 30 years of practice he's had 2 patients whom he tried ECT. The result were that he would have to do ECT again,and he wouldn't recommend it. He said it would have to be done often, not just once. stormyrn gave excellent information regarding bipolar disorder. I'm definitely not a Doctor, so please continue to chat with him/her. I pray you find the right solution for you, Tonka. A dozen roses, Anna
Thank you for your thoughtful responses, and "a dozen roses... " - that was sweet
Hi Tonka. How are you?
I forgot about something. I was in a psych ward and watched people being wheeled away for shock therapy. They were awake and aware. When they came back, they lay asleep too soundly. I was so scared they were going to die. I went to their rooms and prayed by their feet on a chair. I heard one of those people who had ect say "I love it." "I get ect often." This person was incoherent. I've always had my opinions on ect. From what I've read, it fries our brains, basically. It scares me.
I would be delighted to hear about your new wisdom. Your barking up my tree, Tonka. Your subject is interesting, however, I'm so sorry you need to consider this option.
A basket of Apples,
Anna